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MISC
INFO - FRAMELESS SHOWER DOORS AND GLASS TILES
Frameless
Shower Doors and Glass Tiles
Glass tiles can add beauty and class to a shower surround
or backsplash, but they can also add another level
of difficulty when installing a frameless shower door
or even a framed door on top of them.

Frameless
shower doors and glass tiles. What is the
problem?
More and more people are using glass tiles
to accent their bathrooms. Glass tiles illuminate
and shine and give a look that can't be recreated
with porcelain or ceramic. While glass tiles
are hard and beautiful, they are also brittle
and can be hard to work with when installing
enclosures. This article should explain the
pros and cons of glass tile as well as give
tips for installing
frameless shower door enclosures on top of
the glass tile.
Glass is brittle. When installing
a frameless shower door or really any shower
door there are several holes that need to
be drilled into the walls for mechanical
fasteners and hinges
and any glass door hardware. When the walls
are made of glass, the chance of a cracked
tile goes up enormously. I would say the chance
of a glass tile cracking during the installation
of a shower door on top of them is about 90
percent or more. If there is no breakage during
installation, one will probably crack soon
after.
The
tiles where the hinges or fasteners are located
should be replaced with ceramic tiles.
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We installed this one in Mill Valley.
You have to be very careful fastening
hinges and brackets to keep glass tiles
from cracking. |
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How
to avoid cracking a tile while drilling for
frameless shower door hardware.
First off, if you are installing a frameless
shower door for a customer, make sure that you
talk to them about the troubles of working on
glass tile and make sure that they know you
are diving into a project that can(and probably
will) run into some problems. If you let them
know in advance of probable issues, they might
not be as upset when you have to come to them
about replacing a tile. If they are adamant
that cracking a tile is unacceptable, then you
may want to rethink if you need that job. I
have heard several stories from customers that
told me other shower installers refused to install
over glass tiles and to be honest i'm not sure
I blame them.
Let’s start with installing a shower door
hinge on glass tile. Every step is critical
from drilling the hole to inserting the anchor
to tightening the screw. In my experience, the
best way to limit the amount of glass cracking
is to drill a slightly oversized hole in the
glass by rotating the drill slightly ass you
are drilling for the mounting screws. Then insert
the plastic anchors as gently as possible and
push the anchors
just past the glass tile so that when the screw
is installed the anchor won’t expand inside
the glass hole. You can use a punch or even
another anchor to help push the anchor past
the glass tile. Then when you hold the glass
door in place with the hinge on you can safely
tighten the screw. I would also recommend against
using an impact driver to tighten down screws
over glass tiles as well as possible hand tightening
the last few turn of screw. A sore wrist is
a lot better than having to replace tiles and
postpone a shower door installation as well
as deal with upset customers.
Another
option is trying to keep holes in a grout line.
Drilling a hole in a grout line may reduce the
change of breakage. If you look closely at the
picture on the left, I planned to install all
the hardware in grout lines with this shower.
The hinge at the top is a wall mounted pivot
which has 2 mounting screws that are vertical
from each other which allows for both the screws
to enter a grout line. It would be near impossible
to stay in grout lines with a normal wall mounted
hinge. The wall mounted pivots also help the
door miss the window sill by putting the pivot
of the door around 3 inches away from the wall
so that when the door is open the door does
not hit the sill.
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The shower image to the left
is one we just completed in november 09' in Berkeley.
The shower is neat because there is an exit onto the
back deck which overlooks the bay area and a glass
railing that we put in there also.
As you can see, the curb tiles are ceramic and the
wall tiles are glass. The glass tiles were very fragile
and we had to fasten 4 clamps onto them. All of them
cracked. Only a few cracks were visible, but visible
enough to cause the customer to want to pull out the
shower panels and replace tiles and re-install the
shower. These pictures are of the completed shower
after a tiler came back to replace tiles and after
we reinstalled the shower. |
Who is to blame
when the glass tile breaks?
I will tell you who gets blamed. Shower installers.
Tilers can come in and install the most fragile tile
and yes it looks great, but they are basically a booby
trap waiting for some poor shower door guy to come and
try and fasten ANYTHING to the glass tile and they will
break. In my opinion properly installed tiles will not
break except in the case of glass tiles. Glass tiles
almost always break, so if you are a shower installer
I would recommend putting something in writing before
you even take the job that you can not take responsibility
for breaking glass tiles.
I am probably biased, but i don't think it is anyones
fault when the tiles break. I think everyone needs to
know going into a glass tile installation that it is
probably not going to go as smoothly as a normal tiled
shower install. |
How
this one ended up.
Well we installed
the shower and my installer came back frustrated because
of how fragile the tiles were and said that several
tiles had broken. So i went up the next day to take
a look and it wasn't as bad as he had made it.
There was one main crack that the customer didn't like
so i offered to take out the panel at no charge and
I drilled some tiles so that the tile person could install
them with holes already drilled. That way there should
be no problems. When i went back to install the panel
and door I tightened down each bracket by hand with
a screwdriver. Then resiliconed
everything in place after hours of cleaning silicone.
Then to boot the contractor deducted 150 dolars off
my invoice to cover the installation of the new tiles.
I agreed to paying the bill because I did the wrong
thing and did not communicate enough to him in advance
about the possibility of tiles breaking. I suppose i
could have then rebilled him for reinstalling the shower,
but life is too short to fight everyone for every dollar
in my opinion. |
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